Jesco
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| | 11/12/09 at 05:32 PM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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I saw this article in the science of sport a while back about a study of triathletes and the use of POSE running as it relates to running efficiency and injury rates. I searched the forum and didn't see any other posts about this so I thought it should probably be brought up. Essentially, it's a study of elite level athletes who trained to to use POSE running bio mechanics over a 12 week period. The study found that among this population, running efficiency as measured in how much oxygen was consumed per minute at various speeds was less (they used more O2) when using the POSE technique. Injury rates appeared to be about the same, they just occurred in the ankle/Achilles instead of the knee.
This data may of course be interpreted in a number of ways. For most of us Crossfitters any focus on running and running mechanics is going to make us more efficient and better at running so I'm not saying to avoid POSE! Also, for a person like me who has had lots of knee surgeries any method that takes the load off my knees is a great thing. So check out the article and enjoy!
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Ted
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| | 11/21/09 at 07:38 PM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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Thanks for posting this. It was an interesting read. As you said, the data can be interpreted in a number of different ways, and especially with sports, studies and data are generally harder to come by.
I also agree with you that for most of us, learning technique and mechanics will make us more efficient runners. I know some people are saying, "wait, the study said that the triathletes got LESS efficient..."
I'm not surprised that these elite level athletes actually got a bit less efficient with running. The reason why they got to the elite level is the way that they run works for them. Have you ever seen a pro-athlete, throw a ball, swing a baseball bat, shoot a basketball etc, and look awful "mechanics-wise", but yet they can throw the ball harder than anyone you know or belt home runs like crazy?
Take these individuals and teach them the "classic technique", and it might have a negative effect on them, cause their own personal way of doing something is what works for them. I suspect that the elite athletes in this study probably had some of this going on.
Is POSE running for everyone? No... we're all pretty individual, and one size doesn't fit all, and like you said, for most of us, a little technique goes a long way!
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Matt_C
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| | 12/17/09 at 09:43 PM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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If you read the comments posted by visitors there is some great discussion about the study. One poster mentions this was his study and reports on the shortcomings of his own study and the impact on the athletes after the study's 12 weeks. His comments, and others are useful in finding out what type of athletes respond to the POSE training best - i.e. some better than others.
After reading all that, I think that the efficiency (consumption) argument from this study is not solidly founded. That just means it's still up in the air.
After doing the running cert I agree with some of the foundational physics behind some of the POSE technique, though not every argument used for it is well founded. Overall this is a great example of anything we do with CrossFit - testing and analysis is key. If we don't study this stuff we'll never know if we can improve.
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Krista
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ncosta
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| | 02/10/10 at 03:35 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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| You have to be coachable in order to see 'changes' |
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Ted
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| | 02/10/10 at 04:40 AM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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Steph, thank you for your call and sharing your thoughts and feedback. I really appreciate the your time and your openness. If there is anything else, you know where to find me.
Get better soon, so you can go bust up Nancy again!
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ncosta
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| | 02/10/10 at 01:44 PM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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| When you going to stop playing the victim role in your life and take responsibility? Looking for blame or fault will keep you exactly where you are - troubled! Best of luck. |
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Jesco
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| | 02/10/10 at 01:51 PM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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Hey Steph, I'm very sorry to hear about your injury although I don't see how your injury is related to the study I posted. That study is about running economy after 12 weeks of POSE technique training. It is noted that injury became more prevalent in the calf and Achilles areas but overall injury rates did not increase i.e. POSE running did not result in more or less injury to runners, it changed where those injuries occurred.
Good luck on your recovery!
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Steph
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| | 02/10/10 at 02:35 PM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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hey jesco - thanks for the recovery luck. the dr said that I pulled my big toe & lower leg stablizer (calf area)... didn't increase any injury occurance but just most likely contributed to it from tansfer of impact.. I must say I just skimmed the article and saw some relation.... Anyway I like the technique & it works well for many & me during shorter runs 
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Adam
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| | 02/11/10 at 11:49 PM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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| In my personal experience, it seems that the ability to be "trainable" relies mainly with the Coach. A good coach finds ways to make people "trainable", despite their inabilities.
A coach should be able to explain their thoughts, a technique, or subject to an individual so that they understand it/relate to it, and sometimes that can be difficult; it is however, the responsibility of the Coach.
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chrissym
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| | 02/12/10 at 12:50 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by ncosta
When you going to stop playing the victim role in your life and take responsibility? Looking for blame or fault will keep you exactly where you are - troubled! Best of luck. Not cool. Remarks like these don't belong here. |
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